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Post by mrright on Jan 26, 2024 8:50:10 GMT -6
abortion isnt govts business
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Post by rampage on Jan 26, 2024 10:05:41 GMT -6
abortion isnt govts business "abortion" wasn't "govts business" after Roe v. Wade acknowledged women's right to their own reproductive decisions.
Then D.J. Trump lied his way into the white house. "I will build a great, great wall on our Southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words." * Republican primary presidential candidate Donald J. Trump 15/06/16 www.DonaldJTrump.com And once D.J. became CEO of the USA he appointed to our judiciary the candidate choices Trump's wrong-wing handlers chose for him.
Roe v. Wade was 7:2 Dobbs v. Jacksson 5:4
* "If you wanna be the nominee you need to defend your record. And he has a record, 4 years as president where he didn't deliver on a lot of issues that Republicans care deeply about. - He didn't repeal & replace Obamacare like he said he would, even though he had a Republican congress. - He said he was gunna balance the budget, he added six $Trillion to the national debt. - He said he was gunna build a wall in Mexico, he built 47 miles of new wall. ... At that pace ... he'd need 110 years as president to be able to finish the wall." former New Jersey Governor & recent Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie on ABC-TV this week 23/07/16 commenting on the viability of candidate Trump for the nomination, and a second term as president
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Post by mrright on Jan 26, 2024 14:20:46 GMT -6
abortion isnt govts business "abortion" wasn't "govts business" after Roe v. Wade acknowledged women's right to their own reproductive decisions.
Then D.J. Trump lied his way into the white house. "I will build a great, great wall on our Southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall, mark my words." * Republican primary presidential candidate Donald J. Trump 15/06/16 www.DonaldJTrump.com And once D.J. became CEO of the USA he appointed to our judiciary the candidate choices Trump's wrong-wing handlers chose for him.
Roe v. Wade was 7:2 Dobbs v. Jacksson 5:4 * "If you wanna be the nominee you need to defend your record. And he has a record, 4 years as president where he didn't deliver on a lot of issues that Republicans care deeply about. - He didn't repeal & replace Obamacare like he said he would, even though he had a Republican congress. - He said he was gunna balance the budget, he added six $Trillion to the national debt. - He said he was gunna build a wall in Mexico, he built 47 miles of new wall. ... At that pace ... he'd need 110 years as president to be able to finish the wall." former New Jersey Governor & recent Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie on ABC-TV this week 23/07/16 commenting on the viability of candidate Trump for the nomination, and a second term as president
best president ever
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Post by rampage on Jan 27, 2024 10:24:04 GMT -6
Hypocrisy abounds within the Republican party. When a political issue broke in McConnell's (R-KY) favor, McConnell dismissed it: "Elections have consequences." BUT ! When a Supreme Court vacancy opened during the Obama administration President Obama undertook to fulfill his Constitutionally enumerated obligation to fill it. McConnell (R-KY) simply refused to even give Obama's nominee a hearing. So apparently what McConnell (R-KY) actually meant was "elections have consequences" when McConnell likes the outcome.
Many legal scholars believe Roe would not have been overturned if not for McConnell / Trump.
Hypocrite much mrr ?
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Post by mrright on Jan 28, 2024 11:11:15 GMT -6
not a bit. republicans arent sheep to the party , like democrats are. they have their own values .
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Post by rampage on Jan 28, 2024 11:58:05 GMT -6
Addressing rampant Republican hypocrisy mrr posted: not a bit. republicans arent sheep to the party , like democrats are. they have their own values . "not a bit."? Republicans vehemently criticize President Biden (D) for the issues at the U.S. / Mexico border.
So the Democrats present a rare opportunity to Republicans for a bipartisan statutory address of this controversial issue. But President / presidential candidate Trump urges congressional Republicans to not pass this bipartisan bill into law.
And your characterization of that, and numerous other issues is: And you dismiss this conspicuous political maneuvering by posting "not a bit." because it's MORE than "a bit"? An unsupported assertion is not a persuasive assertion fact.
Regarding Republican "own values", you mean as distinct from patriotic American values?
U.S. President Bush (R-"TX") [younger] claimed "values" such as "pro-life". Yet as governor of Texas GWB presided over more capital executions than any other Texas governor before him. And during the 8 years of GWB's presidential tenure UBL killed ~3,000 innocent Americans in the attacks of 09/11/01, placing UBL on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list. "MOST wanted"!
Yet during those same 8 years President GWB killed thousands more innocent Americans than UBL did.
More innocent Americans killed than bin Laden. More State executions than any other Texas governor before him. So much for Republican "values" such as "pro-life". Anti-choice is the more accurate term.
If Democrats are "sheep to the party" how do you explain President Biden's current low poll numbers?
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Post by mrright on Jan 28, 2024 12:31:01 GMT -6
how about bidens border guys just follow the laws already in place? ohh thats right,,,that doesnt = more money.
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Post by rampage on Jan 28, 2024 15:28:02 GMT -6
how about bidens border guys just follow the laws already in place? What laws already in place are "bidens (sic) border guys" not following?
If Trump hadn't lied, how could there possibly still be a problem?
I mark your words by precisely quoting them DJ.
"I'm not going to pay for that %$#@ wall!" former Mexico President Vicente Fox ~160225, commenting on Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump's claim that as U.S. president he'd build a multi-$Billion dollar wall on the U.S. / Mexico border, and get Mexico to pay for it
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Post by mrright on Jan 28, 2024 15:38:03 GMT -6
how about bidens border guys just follow the laws already in place? What laws already in place are "bidens (sic) border guys" not following?
If Trump hadn't lied, how could there possibly still be a problem?
I mark your words by precisely quoting them DJ.
"I'm not going to pay for that %$#@ wall!" former Mexico President Vicente Fox ~160225, commenting on Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump's claim that as U.S. president he'd build a multi-$Billion dollar wall on the U.S. / Mexico border, and get Mexico to pay for it built alot of it for having to fight the lefty commies all the time. so who paid for it?
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Post by Rob W. Case on Jan 28, 2024 17:12:38 GMT -6
Wow, talk about an interesting conversation here.
I am going to weigh in, not so much on the border here, but on the topic of abortion. Whenever Donald Trump's name is invoked, people are hyper-obsessed with going everywhere else other than the topic being discussed. So, since this topic is on abortion, I will weigh in addressing that topic.
Now, Rampage, you made a comment to Dr. Taylor criticizing his libertarian views, and implying that he is a hypocrite for being "mostly against abortion". You then used Thomas Jefferson's words to "show his error". Here's the kicker. The spirit of the Declaration of Independence is the foundation for which the American Constitution was built on. Since Thomas Jefferson was the appointed writer of the Declaration of Independence, he stated that, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." In those days, men were more moral and in the constructs of our own government, tried to shy away from the vices of the previous world empires. That said, abortion was a vice that was more prominent in ancient Akkadian culture than it was in modern times. Abortion consisted of women giving birth, and abandoning the baby out in a field where it would be "left to the elements" or to someone who might take a baby in to take care of it. Today, people do this to puppies they don't want, and when found out, it generates a firestorm of outrage. One of the reasons why we know that people did not always take in those abandoned babies to care for, was because archaeologists found in Akkadian territories infant skeletons when they excavated those lands.
That introduces a fascinating new dynamic.
1. Abortion is a primitive practice that existed in previous evil empires, and adopting it reveals how regressive and backwards we have gotten as a people and society. As Americans have grown colder and more desensitized to matters of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, we have grown more primitive, tribal, embracing, believing, and complacent towards those who have totalitarian tendencies, and compliant to people who put up road blocks to prevent Americans to pursue their dreams and happiness (like Govt. policies keeping poverty alive and well oiled, for example, through excessive taxation and inflation).
2. The Constitution was designed to protect people who, created by God, were given the absolute right to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Denying an unborn child their right to be born is a primitive, pagan practice that was not considered, nor covered by the Constitution. Roe V. Wade was built on a lie that took a lucrative practice that was prosperous in the underground, and gave it legal ground so that its business model could rise above the obstacles and become more and more available. And now look at it. It's a multi-billion dollar industry that mirrors the nature of those who sacrificed infants to pagan "gods", though in American culture, the "god" they are sacrificing to, is themselves.
Conserving the spirit that inspired The Declaration of Independence and the answer to the grievances that that document addressed (i.e. the Constitition), is what makes people want to preserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Communists who work against this country know full well that if you appeal to people's vices and their "darker angels", you will have a society exactly as it is now. People today are predominantly greedy, amoral, dumb, apathetic, cavalier, careless, and callous, and those elements are exactly what ensured the fall of the previous world empires. America keeps dwindling, and is increasingly fickle when it comes to media influence. That said, what it has produced is a culture and society where evil is called good and good is called evil.
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Post by rampage on Jan 28, 2024 18:07:44 GMT -6
[/div] "alot" (sic)? Compared to what? Trump said his "great, great wall" would span from the Gulf coast, to the Pacific coast. It still doesn't.
Besides, Republican Governor Chris Christie said: Your quarrel is with Governor Christie mmr, not me.
built alot of it for having to fight the lefty commies all the time. Splendid. But candidate Trump's commitment, his campaign promise was unqualified. Trump didn't add: - unless I receive political opposition.
mmr added: The U.S. tax payer paid for much of the additions made during Trump's 4 years. You don't want to know how many $millions it cost $US per mile. BUT ! [/div] And then, true to Trump form, there was outright fraud.
[/quote][/div] PS pending
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Post by rampage on Jan 28, 2024 19:03:47 GMT -6
"The Communists who work against this country" "Communists"?
China's Xi Jinping ? North Korea's Kim Jong Un ? What do either of them have to do with it? False.
[/b][/div] RW, I would support Dr. Taylor for his "libertarian views" if s/he ever expresses one. But opposing Liberty is not libertarian. What does Liberty mean?
Liberty means the right and power to think, act, and express ones self in the manner of ones own choosing; provided that Liberty does not infringe or usurp the Liberty of another or others. [/b][/div] If you prefer the Constitutional argument RW we can use that too. According to the 9th Amendment, if there wasn't a law against abortion on December 15, 1791 there shouldn't be any now.
In this regard Republicans are hypocrites. Republicans pay vehement if vacant lip-service to political conservatism, the basis of which is smaller, less intrusive government. Yet when they find a perceived ill, be it abortion, recreational drug use, or U.S. / Mexico border security, Republicans suddenly become fans of larger more intrusive, more authoritarian government. National security may be conservative. Martial oppression never was.
False. The meaning of the word "abortion" as it applies here applies only to before birth. After birth, termination is murder, not abortion.
What you have described is outright barbaric murder. BUT ! It's not abortion. Eating an apple is "primitive". Breathing even more so. You imply there's something intrinsically evil, or negative about what you declare to be "primitive". BUT !!
A true conservative should understand:
[/b][/div] We conservatives support tradition, even to pseudo-cons that consider tradition "primitive".
RW: I'm neither a neo-con, nor a pseudo-con. I'm a genuine conservative by dictionary definition. Anyone claiming to be a genuine conservative should be prepared to declare precisely what it is they wish to conserve.
"2. The Constitution was designed to protect people who, created by God, were given the absolute right to ... " RW Your quarrel if you still wish to pursue it RW is with Constitutional law expert Professor Strossen.
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Post by mrright on Jan 28, 2024 20:29:11 GMT -6
[/div] "alot" (sic)? Compared to what? Trump said his "great, great wall" would span from the Gulf coast, to the Pacific coast. It still doesn't.
Besides, Republican Governor Chris Christie said: Your quarrel is with Governor Christie mmr, not me.
built alot of it for having to fight the lefty commies all the time. Splendid. But candidate Trump's commitment, his campaign promise was unqualified. Trump didn't add: - unless I receive political opposition. mmr added: The U.S. tax payer paid for much of the additions made during Trump's 4 years. You don't want to know how many $millions it cost $US per mile. BUT ! [/div] And then, true to Trump form, there was outright fraud.
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Post by mrright on Jan 28, 2024 20:31:17 GMT -6
but peeloosy promised not 1 dime.,,she lied???
by the way ...the tariffs put on mexico paid
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Post by rampage on Jan 28, 2024 20:47:28 GMT -6
but peeloosy promised not 1 dime.,,she lied???
by the way ...the tariffs put on mexico paid
Trump didn't mention any "peeloosy" exception (whoever he is), or complication. Trump's promise was: And whatever tariffs you have in mind didn't pay for the wall Trump promised, because the wall Trump promised was never built. Trump lied, again. In addition, such assertion about tariffs static-models a dynamic situation, an unreliable proposition at best.
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