Post by Rob W. Case on Jan 24, 2009 0:54:05 GMT -6
Obama & Gitmo: How Liberalism Is Already Imperiling Us
Liberals really know how to kill a positive mood. Two days after a terrific, patriotic, and inspiring speech, and the good news that President Obama is going to freeze the salaries of government workers, he goes and does something to seriously imperil the country.
On January 20th, 2009 President Obama in his inaugural address prompted the nation on the dangerous state that we are in. Putting to bed all of the conspiracy theories that the hard left liberals made against President Bush, implying that he caused 9/11, and so forth, Obama acknowledged that, “Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.” Later in the speech, he said, “We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense. And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken -- you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.” My question is, how are you going to do that when you are about to set them free?
Here is the scope of the matter.
2004 was obviously an election year. In 2004, the news was splashed all over the world that terrorists who were on the path to killing Americans were being tortured for information at the control of America. Of course, as liberals always do, they miss the true meanings of things and their vision is always blurred. Torture and Interrogations are two different things. Torture is about inflicting permanent damage on the person you are trying to get information from. John McCain was a victim of torture. That is why he cannot raise his arms above his head. That is a result of permanent damage inflicted on him. Interrogations are acts of inflicting major discomforts (like waterboarding) in order to create a sense of hopelessness that the subject under interrogation will never get relief until he talks. Interrogations are not designed to inflict permanent damage as torture is. Yet all of the liberals confuse the two, and now President Obama is going to close the prison in Guantanamo Bay to show the world community that America does not torture. Folks, this next part is shocking. The reason for exposing these interrogation measures in 2004 and on Bush’s watch was on purpose, and U.N. driven. The U.N. tried to paint Bush as a violator of international law in a campaign designed by them to make him look evil and inhumane in the eyes of the world community, and to encourage America to “improve our standing in the world” by embracing someone whose foreign policy was loyal to the laws of the U.N. (i.e. John Kerry in 2004, or Barack Obama in 2008).
The international community under the U.N. for some reason shows sympathy towards aggressors. The U.N. views aggressors as victims, and in that tries to muster up support to free those “victims.” But what the U.N. either doesn’t get, or just refuses to recognize is that terrorists are murderers who, if given the chance, will only be satisfied if you, and millions of other Americans are hurt or killed for the purpose of spreading fear in hopes that people will simply give up their will and freedoms to their own set of standards to save their lives. But does that matter to the U.N.? No. What matters to the U.N. is that they see the U.S. as violators of one-world law. The liberals are looking at the U.N.’s definition of torture and going by simply that.
Why Guantanamo Bay?
Why did we house people in Guantanamo Bay? The answer is simple; lawyers. By keeping terrorists in another country, they would not be protected under our laws and right of due process. If they are not protected by our laws, then trial lawyers (who were heavy campaign contributors to President Obama and have been for years to Democrats) seeking to make money from freeing them, would not be able to do so. The bottom line is that trial lawyers would not be given the chance to advance their own self interests at the expense of the safety of American lives. Obama’s recent actions gives “hope” that that might change. The problem is that this change may be beneficial to the terrorist cause and not so to America’s national security. Guantanamo Bay houses terrorists from all over the world. China, annoyed by the very inconvenient thought of “what are we going to do with the terrorists” has already said that upon freeing Chinese terrorists, China doesn’t want them.
The closing of the prison in Guantanamo Bay will lead in the release of terrorists, only to embolden them and in turn cause them to return to terrorism.
Sympathy for the Devil Still Results in Hell:
No matter how mush compassion an evil person is shown, they will return to the cause. These dangerous people are driven by an ideology, an ideology that says that if they kill in the name of their god, they will be granted paradise.
On January 13th, 2009 The U.K. Reuters News Agency posted this article.
Pentagon: 61 ex-Guantanamo inmates return to terrorism
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:32pm GMT
By David Morgan
uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE50C5JX20090113
Excerpt: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday that 61 former detainees from its military prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, appear to have returned to terrorism since their release from custody. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said 18 former detainees are confirmed as "returning to the fight" and 43 are suspected of having done in a report issued late in December by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Morrell declined to provide details such as the identity of the former detainees, why and where they were released or what actions they have taken since leaving U.S. custody.
Or how about this article?
January 23, 2009
Freed by the U.S., Saudi Becomes a Qaeda Chief
By ROBERT F. WORTH
www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/middleeast/23yemen.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
What people need to realize is that this is a step. During the tenure of President Bush, the media got a hold of and released all sorts of national security secrets, some of which are still in place today. The secrets exposed when Bush was president are still being used, but after these recent acts by the President, will end more dangerous to the country and Obama as he seeks to close the very prison and release terrorist that would likely use those very secrets to attempt another devastating attack on our country. In other words, this act will make America more vulnerable to another attack and encourage those who were released from Guantonamo Bay to “try again.”
On this same note, I think it is also vital to remind you of a story released in September of 2008.
www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_campaign_lobbyists/2008/09/08/128812.html
Excerpt: “Obama’s source of support comes from the very far left of the Democrat party — unions, trial lawyers, social workers — not individuals,” said Cleta Mitchell, a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm Foley and Lardner, which specializes in campaign finance law.
Chalk this policy decision as one for U.N. and one for the trial lawyer lobby.
Liberals really know how to kill a positive mood. Two days after a terrific, patriotic, and inspiring speech, and the good news that President Obama is going to freeze the salaries of government workers, he goes and does something to seriously imperil the country.
On January 20th, 2009 President Obama in his inaugural address prompted the nation on the dangerous state that we are in. Putting to bed all of the conspiracy theories that the hard left liberals made against President Bush, implying that he caused 9/11, and so forth, Obama acknowledged that, “Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.” Later in the speech, he said, “We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense. And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken -- you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.” My question is, how are you going to do that when you are about to set them free?
Here is the scope of the matter.
2004 was obviously an election year. In 2004, the news was splashed all over the world that terrorists who were on the path to killing Americans were being tortured for information at the control of America. Of course, as liberals always do, they miss the true meanings of things and their vision is always blurred. Torture and Interrogations are two different things. Torture is about inflicting permanent damage on the person you are trying to get information from. John McCain was a victim of torture. That is why he cannot raise his arms above his head. That is a result of permanent damage inflicted on him. Interrogations are acts of inflicting major discomforts (like waterboarding) in order to create a sense of hopelessness that the subject under interrogation will never get relief until he talks. Interrogations are not designed to inflict permanent damage as torture is. Yet all of the liberals confuse the two, and now President Obama is going to close the prison in Guantanamo Bay to show the world community that America does not torture. Folks, this next part is shocking. The reason for exposing these interrogation measures in 2004 and on Bush’s watch was on purpose, and U.N. driven. The U.N. tried to paint Bush as a violator of international law in a campaign designed by them to make him look evil and inhumane in the eyes of the world community, and to encourage America to “improve our standing in the world” by embracing someone whose foreign policy was loyal to the laws of the U.N. (i.e. John Kerry in 2004, or Barack Obama in 2008).
The international community under the U.N. for some reason shows sympathy towards aggressors. The U.N. views aggressors as victims, and in that tries to muster up support to free those “victims.” But what the U.N. either doesn’t get, or just refuses to recognize is that terrorists are murderers who, if given the chance, will only be satisfied if you, and millions of other Americans are hurt or killed for the purpose of spreading fear in hopes that people will simply give up their will and freedoms to their own set of standards to save their lives. But does that matter to the U.N.? No. What matters to the U.N. is that they see the U.S. as violators of one-world law. The liberals are looking at the U.N.’s definition of torture and going by simply that.
Why Guantanamo Bay?
Why did we house people in Guantanamo Bay? The answer is simple; lawyers. By keeping terrorists in another country, they would not be protected under our laws and right of due process. If they are not protected by our laws, then trial lawyers (who were heavy campaign contributors to President Obama and have been for years to Democrats) seeking to make money from freeing them, would not be able to do so. The bottom line is that trial lawyers would not be given the chance to advance their own self interests at the expense of the safety of American lives. Obama’s recent actions gives “hope” that that might change. The problem is that this change may be beneficial to the terrorist cause and not so to America’s national security. Guantanamo Bay houses terrorists from all over the world. China, annoyed by the very inconvenient thought of “what are we going to do with the terrorists” has already said that upon freeing Chinese terrorists, China doesn’t want them.
The closing of the prison in Guantanamo Bay will lead in the release of terrorists, only to embolden them and in turn cause them to return to terrorism.
Sympathy for the Devil Still Results in Hell:
No matter how mush compassion an evil person is shown, they will return to the cause. These dangerous people are driven by an ideology, an ideology that says that if they kill in the name of their god, they will be granted paradise.
On January 13th, 2009 The U.K. Reuters News Agency posted this article.
Pentagon: 61 ex-Guantanamo inmates return to terrorism
Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:32pm GMT
By David Morgan
uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE50C5JX20090113
Excerpt: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon said on Tuesday that 61 former detainees from its military prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, appear to have returned to terrorism since their release from custody. Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said 18 former detainees are confirmed as "returning to the fight" and 43 are suspected of having done in a report issued late in December by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Morrell declined to provide details such as the identity of the former detainees, why and where they were released or what actions they have taken since leaving U.S. custody.
Or how about this article?
January 23, 2009
Freed by the U.S., Saudi Becomes a Qaeda Chief
By ROBERT F. WORTH
www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/world/middleeast/23yemen.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
What people need to realize is that this is a step. During the tenure of President Bush, the media got a hold of and released all sorts of national security secrets, some of which are still in place today. The secrets exposed when Bush was president are still being used, but after these recent acts by the President, will end more dangerous to the country and Obama as he seeks to close the very prison and release terrorist that would likely use those very secrets to attempt another devastating attack on our country. In other words, this act will make America more vulnerable to another attack and encourage those who were released from Guantonamo Bay to “try again.”
On this same note, I think it is also vital to remind you of a story released in September of 2008.
www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_campaign_lobbyists/2008/09/08/128812.html
Excerpt: “Obama’s source of support comes from the very far left of the Democrat party — unions, trial lawyers, social workers — not individuals,” said Cleta Mitchell, a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm Foley and Lardner, which specializes in campaign finance law.
Chalk this policy decision as one for U.N. and one for the trial lawyer lobby.