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Post by Creation on May 6, 2005 5:18:03 GMT -6
Iff God created man in his own image and i look like God,is God in a lot of trouble???
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Post by MysteriousGuestX on May 9, 2005 14:38:13 GMT -6
What I want to know is, if God really does exist and evolution is a load of crap where do the dinosaurs come in? I don't remember any mention of them in the bible. Anywhere. Its like they never existed at all. God just put their bones in the ground for no purpose what so ever.
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Post by Rob W. Case on May 10, 2005 15:05:34 GMT -6
What I want to know is, if God really does exist and evolution is a load of crap where do the dinosaurs come in? I don't remember any mention of them in the bible. Anywhere. Its like they never existed at all. God just put their bones in the ground for no purpose what so ever. They really aren't mentioned in the Bible, at least to my knowledge anyway. I think that they are not mentioned in there because it is irrelevant to the cause. It is interesting, grant you, and it would definitely be worth-while reading material, but they were probably created as pawns to prove the flood. Think about this for a second: You have Tyrannosaurus Rex, which had little arms and a huge body, and you can find its bones high up in the mountains. How did it get there, you may ask? The flood is the only logical explanation, since T-Rex's were not known to climb high, steep places. Something like a worldwide flood had to put them there. It is also interesting how they found fish bones in mountains as well. I guess we will see soon the progress of the Noah's Ark excavation scheduled to start this summer. Either way you slice and dice, it think that Dinosaurs were put up there so you can ask "how'd they get up there?" and put two and two together with the flood, because notice that dinosaurs lived in places that humans didn't discover. In Arizona, they find dinosaur bones, as well as other places..... and these were areas that the people in Bible times never knew existed. The U.S. at that time was nothing but land and wilderness. Perhaps it is possible that even the writers never knew that dinosaurs existed.
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Post by MysteriousGuestX on May 11, 2005 10:28:16 GMT -6
There is another reason that could explain the appearance of dinosaurs on mountain and things like that occuring. Its called the tectonic plates. These plates make up the crust of the earth and as the magma shifts underneath them they move. This is what causes earthquakes. But it also causes the mountains and shifts in climate over a very long period of time. As two tectonic plates move into each other they slowly smash into each other. As they do this over millions of years they slowly move up and up until they have created a mountain. We don't normally percieve this happening though because it takes millions of years and the mountains on move at less than 1 inch a year. But this could also explain why a land based dinosaur could be found in a mountain. If two tectonic plates started bashing into each other 50 million years ago then, at 1 inch a year, a sizable mountain would have formed by now. It was also believed that instead of the 7 continents that we have now there was only 1 main land mass millions of years ago which would also explain the appearance of the same species of dinosaur being found in two different countries such as africa and south america. Also, the flood would not have killed off the dinosaurs that were aquatic based. Where are they now?
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Post by Rob W. Case on May 11, 2005 12:51:17 GMT -6
Now, if that were the case..... if all of the dinosaurs ended up in mountains during platelate shifts, then I think that it may be possible that the bones of the dinosaurs would be broken or scattered all over the place.
This reminds me of that scene in Disney's Fantasia where the exact scenario you mentioned happened.
I think that the flood explains not only dinosaurs, but it also explains the holes inthe ozone layer. Think about it; People used to live hundreds of years, and today it rare that anyone lives to be over 100. Then add to the fact that we have harmful uv rays that, under too much exposure, can ruin our skin and shorten our lives even more (through cancer).
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Post by steve smith on May 20, 2005 23:32:29 GMT -6
atheism is not rebellion. It's just being honest with yourself, if you just don't believe that crap and tell yourself you do you are lying to yourself and clouding your most important asset. Your mind. Leaving you open to false information and leading you even fauther away from the piece of mind most "true belivers" seek.
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Post by Rob W. Case on May 21, 2005 18:23:11 GMT -6
atheism is not rebellion. It's just being honest with yourself, if you just don't believe that crap and tell yourself you do you are lying to yourself and clouding your most important asset. Your mind. Leaving you open to false information and leading you even fauther away from the piece of mind most "true belivers" seek. Wouldn't you really have to know everything to come to that conclusion? If that is the case, then you would never have maken a mistake in your whole life. When you are born, you are born with a knowledge of God. As you grow up, and your belief system begins to take shape, it takes shape on account of your surroundings. Your surrounding influences, events, the media, and other forms tend to mold your belief system. When you are born, you are not born with a knowlege of atheism. You have a sense of what is right and wrong as you grow up. If we were born as atheists, then why, in the Soviet Union (which banned Christianity altogether) did they have to teach atheism at all? Why did they persecute and dump on people of faith if it was nothing more than a simple mythological belief? Pehaps they were threatened by Christianity because Christianity tends to have a reputation for shining light on things that are wrong. Perhaps their whole communist way of life was filled with so much wrong, that it took Christian methods to defeat it, which it did. Communism/socialism/liberalism , Maoism, and Nazism, had the blueprints of Darwinism in them. In America, Darwinism used to compete with Creationism as early as the 1920's. In the 1960's, creationism was outlawed by activist judges, and all you have is Darwinism taught in biology classes. In fact, you cannot pass your final exam unless you know Darwinism. With the indoctrination of Darwinism in the back of one's mind, as a result of the education process, the mind is vulnerable to accept the above stated philosophies. After all, without a God (as you would perceive it), then why not? Why not anything? Why are there consequences if you kill? Why are there consequences if you steal? Those who have embraced this ideology have done so. Communism which derrives on atheism has been responsible for the deaths of millions. I was just reading how, under Mao's Great Leap Forward, Chinese people used to eat fresh corpses in order to survive. They were starving. Another thing I have to mention is that atheists do not believe in an absolute good and an absolute evil. Nick Berg's Dad is a radical from the group ANSWER. They do not believe in absolutes. They believe in reasoning. Nick Berg was warned to get out of Iraq, but he declined. Maybe he didn't see a threat. Maybe he thought he could reason with them and find a "common good." Where is he now? His body is lying somewhere next to his head. Obviously, was beheaded. This stuff does not surprise me, and it really shouldn't surprise you. Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..... Another thing is that if God was just a belief system, how come everything he said would happen happened or is happening. I have yet to find one atheist who can answer any of the truths I mentioned in this post. In other words, every time atheism is put the fire, it crumbles and falls...yet it continues to motivate people without the senses that surrounds them.
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Post by MysteriousGuestX on May 24, 2005 23:24:48 GMT -6
If everyone has the ingrained knowledge of god within them why are there so many religions? Is the knowledge of the budist gods ingrained in the minds of the buddists only? The society that you grow up in has a major affect on the religion that your believe or don't believe in. It is taught to you as you grow up. If you put a child in an isolated environment, all alone with no knowledge of god or even the existance of other people. Besides being severely socially challanged he will have no modern concept of morals or faith. It is something that he has never experienced before so he does not know how to react.
Ex) If you were never taught that stealing was wrong. Then you took a candy bar from a store and was caught. You would not know the concequences of your actions. You would not understand why you were being punished. It is a learned behavior not an ingrained one. Just like with Paslov's dogs and Skinner's box.
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Post by Rob W. Case on May 25, 2005 0:47:33 GMT -6
If everyone has the ingrained knowledge of god within them why are there so many religions? Is the knowledge of the budist gods ingrained in the minds of the buddists only? The society that you grow up in has a major affect on the religion that your believe or don't believe in. It is taught to you as you grow up. If you put a child in an isolated environment, all alone with no knowledge of god or even the existance of other people. Besides being severely socially challanged he will have no modern concept of morals or faith. It is something that he has never experienced before so he does not know how to react. Ex) If you were never taught that stealing was wrong. Then you took a candy bar from a store and was caught. You would not know the concequences of your actions. You would not understand why you were being punished. It is a learned behavior not an ingrained one. Just like with Paslov's dogs and Skinner's box. To answer your question, "If everyone has the ingrained knowledge of god within them why are there so many religions?" If you have heard the saying that every religion has common ground, then there are some truths to that. However, there have been different people who have communicated wisdom that the Bible offers, but shaped it into their own words. Some religions were spawned on superstitions, cults, pre-texts(taking something out of its context), and pleasurable means. No matter what religion people decide, it does not stop the fact that Jesus Christ was the only being recorded in human history to be persecuted, sentenced to death, crucified (for doing nothing wrong, showing love, and threatening the anti-Christian way of life within even the church), and rising again. The Bible fortold his first coming centuries before it came true. The Old Testament declared that the Son of Man would be nailed to a cross, and at the time that was written, that was unheard of, because crucifixions did not happen that way. They did not use crosses until later on. Jesus described the destruction of the Temple, which happened in A.D. 70 when Titus and his Roman Generals seized Jerusalem. Everything that Jesus said that was to happen in the end times, happens on a daily basis. The whole strategy is: Anybody but Jesus. Catholics would worship Mary, Buddhists would live off of Buddah's philosophies, atheists would adopt Darwinian theory as philosophy, and the list goes on. All religions offer some sort of paradise, but every philosopher that has offered it, has died, and has never delivered on their promise. Jesus said that he would die, rise from the dead, and return one day. He did two out of the three so far, yet the events that surround us scream additional proof. Matthew 7:13-14 Go in through the narrow gate, because the gate to hell is wide and the road that leads to it is easy, and there are many who travel it. 14 But the gate to life is narrow and the way that leads to it is hard, and there are few people who find it. Many RELIGIONS believe that the way to heaven is a lifetime struggle, but it's as easy as simply accepting Christ. The thief who hung next to Jesus on the cross asked Jesus to remember him in heaven. Jesus saw that the thief believed that Jesus said who he said he was, and that was enough. He said that he would be with him in paradise. That's it!!! No voodoo, no praying to his mother, believing in him and asking him.... There is a difference between religion and faith. Religion tends to put you in a sort of bondage. Faith is freedom, but what most people do not understand, and I didn't always understand it myself, was that faith is freedom from sin. Many people are in bondage to their sins. Addictions, perversions, are all forms of bondage that WE ALL have, but we are free from the consequences of those forms of bondage when we accept Christ. Soon, I will be working on a project for this board, and it will pertain to Hell, and people who have declared themselves as atheists have died, and were given the chance to return, I believe to tell their story. It is interesting what they have to say about sin, something that they always professed not to believe in, after their experience. Someone may think that faith is for "religious nuts," but when you are faced with different proofs every day, you see that the people with lack of faith are the "nuts" but you understand them, one way or another, because at one point, you may have been there yourself.
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Post by MysteriousGuestX on May 27, 2005 10:53:55 GMT -6
You replied to my tectonic plate theory with:
"Now, if that were the case..... if all of the dinosaurs ended up in mountains during platelate shifts, then I think that it may be possible that the bones of the dinosaurs would be broken or scattered all over the place." (I can't figure out how to make those quote boxes yet).
What you fail to realize though is that many bones and fossils are found broken and scattered. There are very few full skeletal fossils actually in existance today. Dinosaur fossils have been found in deserts as well as in the mountains. Furthermore, not all tectonic plates are crashing into each other all the time otherwise this world would just be a huge mountain.
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Post by Rob W. Case on May 28, 2005 1:41:21 GMT -6
You replied to my tectonic plate theory with: "Now, if that were the case..... if all of the dinosaurs ended up in mountains during platelate shifts, then I think that it may be possible that the bones of the dinosaurs would be broken or scattered all over the place." (I can't figure out how to make those quote boxes yet). What you fail to realize though is that many bones and fossils are found broken and scattered. There are very few full skeletal fossils actually in existance today. Dinosaur fossils have been found in deserts as well as in the mountains. Furthermore, not all tectonic plates are crashing into each other all the time otherwise this world would just be a huge mountain. Okay, let me ask you this. How come there is no record of anybody witnessing these platelet shiftings. Sure, scientists have created a theory that these have happened, and we do get earthquakes, but why is there no record of anyone ever seeing these occur? Why, if it did happen, did it only happen once and kill off primarily dinosaurs. What preserved the rest of the animals throughout these multiple milleniums? If this huge platelet shift happened worldwide (and it would have had to happen worldwide, because mountains are all over the world), then how did humans, and all the rest of the animals survive? I'm sure that if evolutionary theory was right when it pertained to the dinosuars, dinosaurs would not be the only species to die and become extinct. The only answer that answers that for me is the flood. If Noah built an ark with two of each animal, then that would explain why we have cows, elephants, giraffes, and so on. That would explain why human being still exist. I'm sorry, but if these platelet shifts were as intense as the theory would have us believe, and if it killed off those great lizards, then it would pulvarize us tiny, more vulerable human beings. Where would we hide? If cave men lived in caves, then I'm sure their caves would have crushed and others would have died... as well as died from starvation. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by MysteriousGuestX on May 28, 2005 22:33:01 GMT -6
Did I say that the shifts in the earth's crust killed the dinosaurs? No I didn't. I only gave an explanation on how they ended up in mountains. And if you don't believe in tectonic plates and the shifts in the earth's crust how do you explain volcano and volcanic islands. They only exist because cracks occured in the tectonic plates and magma was able to escape and form volcanic erruptions. The Hawain islands for instance are volcanic islands that weren't always there. The one of the main theories of the destruction of the dinosaurs was from an asteroid. This asteroid hit the earth and kicked up enough dust and ash to block out the sun. The dinosaurs like most reptiles require very specific environmental conditions to survive so the sudden change in climate killed most of them off. Mammals on the other hand can survive in a wide variety of conditions so were able to endure. Then with all the major preditors gone they were able to thrive and come to dominate the earth instead of the dinosaurs.
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Post by Rob W. Case on Jun 2, 2005 2:04:47 GMT -6
Did I say that the shifts in the earth's crust killed the dinosaurs? No I didn't. I only gave an explanation on how they ended up in mountains. And if you don't believe in tectonic plates and the shifts in the earth's crust how do you explain volcano and volcanic islands.
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Post by nezednemo on Jul 5, 2005 22:58:55 GMT -6
please read
i caution everyone to watch where there anger leads them. keep in mind that we are all humans, and that is what binds us. sometimes it is the only thing that binds us, and yet, we deny it. every war is a complete denial of that fact. These arguments are pety. Is there an all powerful diety, or not? does it really matter if everyone believes as you believe. Must you be so quick to judge those who oppose your way of thinking. Should judgment not be in the hands of the lord you believe in? Did "Love your neighbor" fall short?
The general consenses as i have seen it states that god is all loving, and all forgiving. In which case this idea that the only way to God is through total devotion is absurd. A man or woman isolated completely from the knowledge of god deserves hell? if god does exist and he sends good people to hell, then i choose hell.
The bible, i hope is fallible. For i would never worship a god who would ask a man to sacrafice his son as a test of faith. No matter if the child died or not. I would never worship a god who gave man free wil then killed off the population for sinning. I would never worship a god that would engage in such hypocracy as you so passionately describe.
keep in mind, everything you know of your god has been passed on to you from others...everything. For your sake i hope some of the men who composed, and edited (yes, the bible was edited, you can research that yourself) the bible were misled in their "divine inspiration"
please i beg you to concider the fact that christians are no better than any other person on earth. They simply have a different (yet often similar) perspective than many of their fellow kind.
please, think of what kind of god you would want to worship had you not been subject to any previous endorsement
think and feel. use compassion, it's the only hope we have left
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Post by Rob W. Case on Jul 21, 2005 9:39:08 GMT -6
please read 1. These arguments are pety. Is there an all powerful diety, or not? does it really matter if everyone believes as you believe. Must you be so quick to judge those who oppose your way of thinking. 2. The general consenses as i have seen it states that god is all loving, and all forgiving. In which case this idea that the only way to God is through total devotion is absurd. A man or woman isolated completely from the knowledge of god deserves hell? 3. The bible, i hope is fallible. For i would never worship a god who would ask a man to sacrafice his son as a test of faith. No matter if the child died or not. I would never worship a god who gave man free wil then killed off the population for sinning. I would never worship a god that would engage in such hypocracy as you so passionately describe. 4. keep in mind, everything you know of your god has been passed on to you from others...everything. 5. please i beg you to concider the fact that christians are no better than any other person on earth. They simply have a different (yet often similar) perspective than many of their fellow kind. 6. think and feel. use compassion, it's the only hope we have left In Response: 1. If these arguments are so pety, then why can't ANYONE who opposes them properly address them? I'm not trying to change people. I'm only challenging their way of thinking. If their way of thinking is rock solid and does not crumble, then the ideology can survive the fire. Also, other Christians will read this, and be more empowered in their faith. 2. As long as you accept his son Jesus Christ into your heart, you will be free from the law. The law is what you are held up to when you go to hell. Look, hell was not designed for people. Hell was designed for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41). You see, sin did not saturate the world until Adam and Eve rebelled against God. Since then, we have all been contaminated with sin, and accepting Jesus Christ as your savior washes your past, present and future sins away. God does not tolerate sin in heaven. As for those who haven't heard, I cannot speak for them, however, missionaries have been able to touch on many forms of land, and the people who accept Christ witness to other tribes as well. 3. Are you saying that you would rather choose Satan? He wants everyone dead, and does not want ANYONE to accept Christ. His ways are so common, and is the driving force of why the methods of human nature are so common. History repeats itself. There is right, and there is wrong. Whenever wrong fails, it fails again. People think that doing the wrong thing in new ways will create a different result, but the truth is that it will not. God does not KILL off the population for sinning. He sent Jesus Christ his son to take on the punishment for our sins. Jesus died, and rose again, showing that SIN, when you accept Christ dies, but YOU, should you accept him go to heaven since the SIN is still dead. 4. This is solely not true. Sure, I read the Bible. But too many things happen that would sound crazy if I put them in words. When I'm at work, or when I'm alone thinking, something extraordinarily great hits me. I grab a pen and paper and then write it down. Lots of times, they are valid points, and other times, they are fool proof responses to arguments such as these. The Holy Spirit puts things into your mind when you are a Christian. Things do not bother you as much when you are a Christian. There is a PERFECT PEACE when you are a Christian. Every day, when I read about terrorism, hurricanes, droughts, or whatever, I am assured that Christ is coming soon, because Christ described EXACTLY, AND IN DETAIL EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW! 5. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS POINT. Christians are not better than anyone else. We are all equal, and loved equal under God's eyes. Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven, and they, at their will try to change the course of defeat and turn it into victory. 6. Compassion is the key. You have to also consider this. There are Christians that are so full of themselves, that they taint the gospel itself. I can't stand those people. As a born-again Christian myself, I have fallen victim to their judmental way of thinking and when I talk to others who are turned off by them, I use their arrogance to make the true case, so that they are not condemned by their own bad experiences with people like those. If you have any more concerns, then please share them.
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